WYDF | 对话Nicola Saladino: 跨学科找寻与城市对话的方式

“青年者，人生之王，人生之春，人生之华也。”

设计，是以新锐视觉洞察并诠释世界的一种方式，青年设计师作为未来设计世界的中坚力量，我们期待着他们为设计大时代发声，共同传递属于当代青年设计的价值观。

在此契机之下，英国GloW-DESIGN、美国SC集合设计学院、广州设计周在全球范围内共同主办「WYDF世界青年设计师论坛」——汇聚全球青年设计师在这里探索、研讨、辩论设计驱动人居环境，生活品质、产业迭代甚至整个世界向前发展的前沿问题和思想，共同促进全球设计文化的未来发展。

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你曾经在巴塞罗那、伦敦和北京，包括Plasma Studio、Groundlab在内的事务所，有着丰富的建筑和城市设计工作。这些工作经历对你后来个人和reMIX临界工作室的发展有什么样的影响

You have worked in various architectural and urban design practices in Barcelona, London and Beijing, including Plasma Studio and Groundlab. What has this experience brought to your personal development

reMIX临界工作室，是一家国际化、跨学科的设计事务所。多元化的背景构成，无疑为我们在中国的日常实践带来了新视角。在中国，新项目的发生和推进的速度非常快，有时候设计师很难有足够充裕的时间去深入研究，为设计注入新想法。过往在学术性很强的事务所工作多年的经验，使得我们可以在设计概念阶段快速地找到新的切入点，并在研究和实践之间，以非常灵活的方式转换，取得平衡。

We understand reMIX as an international multidisciplinary studio so a diverse background certainly helps bring new perspectives to our everyday practice in China. Sometimes new projects here happen at such a fast pace that we don’t have the time to dig deep into research and inject new ideas into our design so we need to rely on our past experience and having worked for many years in offices that are strongly based on academia helps us provide a new angle to our initial concepts and move in a very agile way between research and practice.

△ reMIX合伙人   reMIX studio

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能否分享更多与reMIX临界工作室相关的内容？比如说，reMIX临界工作室在设计领域最感兴趣的是什么？

Can you share more about reMIX studio For example, in the field of design, what are you most interested in

超小尺度到超大尺度，我们reMIX临界工作室对建筑和景观设计的交叉融合有着浓厚的兴趣——从小型的装置，到建筑的单体改造，再到大尺度的总体规划。我们经常关注建筑内外的边界，建筑与地形，建筑与周边环境的关系。在reMIX的大尺度项目里，景观元素往往成为基础设施的一部分，参与公共空间的塑造。

reMIX is particularly interested in the intersection between architecture and landscape design, at all possible scales: our work spans from very small installations and renovation projects all the way to large master plans. In architectural projects we often focus on the boundary between interior and exterior and the tectonic integration of the built volumes with the ground; in larger projects, the landscape element becomes infrastructural and defines the quality and the functionality of the public space.

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你与伴侣两人都是建筑师，两人有着不同的文化背景。在工作中，你如何处理文化和社会观念上的差异？

Knowing that you and your partner have different backgrounds, how did you deal with the differences in foreign culture and social concepts at work

在我看来，外国建筑师在中国面临的文化观念上的挑战，更多的是来自于个人关系的处理与客户的沟通，而不是具体的设计问题。

In my opinion, the main cultural challenge for a foreign designer in China is more related to the care of personal relationships and communication with the clients than to specific design issues.

我们与客户打交道时，从一开始就建立相互信任的关系，这点非常重要。当然，我们办公室有来自中国的合伙人，东西方的日常交流和讨论，对于了解每个项目的文化背景和具体需求，有很大的帮助。

When we deal with clients, it is very important to establish a mutual trust from the very beginning and having a strong Chinese presence in the office certainly helps us understand the cultural background and the specific expectations of each project.

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在reMIX的学术研究和实践创作里，参数化是如何将两者结合的？能否以具体项目为例展开讨论？

May I ask how to combine academia and practice in parametric design Can you take the project as an example to discuss

参数化设计，通常被视为一种非常“建筑学”的方法——参数化工具，在复杂的建筑形体的探索中是必不可少的。不过，这并非我们工作室使用参数化工具的重点领域。在reMIX临界工作室的研究中，我们会将参数化工具用于场地分析，利用参数化工具突出的计算能力，挖掘尽可能多的潜在信息，来帮助我们更深入地了解场地，以及在初始条件下，场地隐藏着哪些设计潜力。

Parametric design is usually associated with a very formal approach to architecture: parametric tools are in fact essential in the exploration of complex geometries. But that is not the type of parametric application that we use and teach: in our research we use parametric tools mainly for site analysis, taking advantage of large computational capacity to dig into as many layers of information as possible that can help us understand how a site performs and what potentials for design are hidden in its initial conditions.

△ 利用参数化工具进行场地分析   reMIX studio

举例来说，我们在深圳理工大学（SIAT）校园的总体规划中，使用参数化工具分析了场地邻近山地的地表径流，将原本单一水利功能的山塘结合汇水路径，演化成为校园内的中央湖体，并以此划分出不同的建筑组团。

In our masterplan for SIAT campus, for example, we used parametric tools to analyse the water runoff from the adjacent mountain, quantifying the water flow and redistributing it to create the optimal configuration for the new water reservoir that structures the campus as a central spine.

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作为一个青年设计师，你的设计理念和追求是什么？你希望可以通过自己的设计带给大众什么样的感受？

As a young designer, what is your design concept and pursuit What kind of feeling do you want to bring to the public through your design

近年来，我们设计了许多新的学校项目。传统的中国学校里，更强调学生作为集体一分子的属性，比如全校规模的早操；更强调学生对书本知识的吸收，比如课室里讲台上下的授课。然而，传统的学校缺乏多样和高品质的公共空间，很难让学生可以“学在其中，乐在其中”。

In recent years we have been working on a lot of projects of new schools. Traditionally Chinese schools only operate at the large scale of the morning exercises - where each student is part of a multitude - or at the individual scale of a desk in the classroom, but the school buildings lack a true variety of scales and qualities that could make them attractive to different students.

我们的主要挑战之一，是创造出可以容纳尽可能多的不同活动的公共空间。比如说，在广东的亚热带气候里，通过设计的介入，室外走廊不仅仅是交通空间，也可以成为丰富多样的公共活动空间。

One of our main challenges was to create a public space that can be used for as many different activities as possible. For example, in Guangdong climate, exterior corridors can easily be extended into much more than pure circulation spaces.

我们的目标是将大尺度的校园建筑分解成许多不同大小的“口袋”空间，让每个学生都能找到一个舒适的位置，去社交、玩耍，发掘自己的兴趣和潜能。

Our goal is to break down the large scale of a school campus into many pockets of different sizes where every student can find a comfortable corner to socialize and play in groups or develop his/her own interests on their own.

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据了解，你曾经在建筑联盟学院（AA）、Veritas大学、麻省理工学院等多个学校教授设计课。对于更年轻的建筑师，你有什么样的建议？

Knowing that you have taught courses at the Architectural Association, Veritas University (San Jose, Costa Rica), MIT and other schools, can you give some advice to young architects

许多中国的学生选择出国攻读建筑的硕士学位，当他们回到中国进入就业市场时，往往很难找到符合自己高期望的工作岗位。我个人认为，接触外界的教育和学术领域，走出自己的舒适区，这点非常重要。因此，出国深造是一个很好的举动。不过，年轻的毕业生应当意识到这只是他们专业训练的起点。国外的硕士教育可能会让他们在建筑的领域上学得更快，但无法让他们成为全面的建筑专业人士。对这些年轻的毕业生来说，开始自己的职业道路，获得该领域的实践经验，这点也非常重要。我个人的建议是，年轻的毕业生应当花几年的时间来完善自己的“工具箱”，深入地了解建筑这个行业，以便更清楚地认识自己想成为什么样的建筑师，哪种类型的建筑公司更适合自己。

Many Chinese students choose to take a master abroad and when they come back to China and enter the job market, they often struggle to find a position that matches their high expectations. I think that it is very important to get an exposure to other academic environments and challenge ourselves outside our comfort zone, so going abroad is a great move, but young graduates should be aware that this is just the beginning of their professional training.A master abroad probably makes them faster learners but doesn’t make them fully rounded professionals so it is equally important for them to start their career path gaining practical experience in the field. Rather than aiming at the highest possible starting salary in commercial offices that have little to teach them, I would advice young graduates to spend a few years completing their toolbox and understanding the professional world from the inside to be able to identify more clearly which profile of architects they want to become and what type of office best matches their goals.

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你们公司接下来希望在中国市场尝试哪些新的项目？相比于其他国家，你认为中国的建筑市场有哪些方面有巨大的发展潜力？

What new projects does the firm want to try in the Chinese market Different from other countries, which aspect of the construction market in China do you think has the most room for development

在未来， 继续在教育建筑板块延伸扩展的同时，我们希望可以探索文化建筑、办公建筑、混合建筑等不同的建筑类型。在校园尺度的设计里，我们可以充分地挖掘一个场地在绿色基础设施和公共空间方面改变周围社区的潜力。对于未来而言，新的城市设计框架——比如海绵城市——现在是广东地区新项目的基础，也有可能成为未来城市的新原型。

We are very happy working on educational projects and, in the future, we would like to explore more varied typologies at a similar scale (cultural, mixed use, offices, etc.). Working at the scale of a school/university campus, we can fully explore the potential for a site to transform the surrounding neighbourhood, both in terms of green infrastructure as in terms of public space. New urban design frameworks like the sponge city that are now at the base of all new developments in Guangdong have the potential to become new prototypes for our future cities.

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可持续的城市和生态发展，越来越受到公众的高度重视。你认为，建筑师在这方面应该充当什么样的角色？

Sustainable urban and ecological development is highly valued by the public. What role do you think architects and designers should play in this regard

在当下的一些项目里，所谓的可持续发展，只是在项目的最终阶段临时加上去的表层，就好像是开发商在盒子上的贴纸，以此方式博得公众舆论方面的加分。然而，真正意义上的可持续发展，需要真正的多学科方法，以确保所有的变量都是设计的核心。在共同协作的过程中，虽然工程师是技术方面最充分的专业人员，不过他们往往更倾向于将综合复杂的整体划分成彼此不协调的单独系统。在我看来，建筑师应该更习惯于将可持续发展看作一个综合复杂的整体，并且以跨学科的视角，保持对项目的整体理解。

Sustainability is often just a superficial layer added on top of a project in the very last phase of development, like a sticker that developers put on the box to gain some points with the public opinion, but true long-term sustainability needs a truly multidisciplinary approach to make sure all the variables are at the core of the design. While engineers might be the most technically prepared professionals, they often tend to divide a complex situation into individual systems that are not coordinated with each other so I believe that architects are more used to work with complexity and have the best profile to move across disciplines preserving a wholistic understanding of the project.

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设计，是以新锐视觉洞察并诠释世界的一种方式，青年设计师作为未来设计世界的中坚力量，我们期待着他们为设计大时代发声，共同传递属于当代青年设计的价值观。

在此契机之下，世界青年设计师联盟、英国GloW-DESIGN、美国SC集合设计学院、广州设计周在全球范围内共同主办「世界青年设计师论坛」——汇聚全球青年设计师在这里探索、研讨、辩论设计驱动人居环境，生活品质、产业迭代甚至整个世界向前发展的前沿问题和思想，共同促进全球设计文化的未来发展。

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